Wharton 面试归来

-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-8 13:03:00

-- Wharton 面试归来
时间：12月7日晚上六点
地点：香港信德中心及最新的世界金融中心，美丽的九龙一览无余。
人物：面试官和我

问题：
1。Tell me something about yourself and walk through your resume.

2.You seems excellent in your career, why do you want make a change now?

3.China is full of opportunities in the next two years, will you lose these opportunities if you spend two years in the Wharton school?

4.What do you like most and least of your university?

5.What is the biggest difference between Wharton and your university?

6.The courses in Wharton is daunting and taxing, do you have the physical and menta strengths to survive?

7.The Fortune 500 companies often have cocktail parties on campus. But only three our ten students can have the chance to be interviewed. What will you do if you want to be one of the three candidates?

8.What do you like particularly of Wharton\'s curriculum?

9.What is your strongest interest in your current company?

10. Will your company be your sponsor and pay the tuition?

11.What is your career plan after graduation from Wharton?

12.Where did you learn English? Your English is excellent!

问到这里，心中大喜！面试官和我一起吃了个便饭，一直把我送上船。

回来的船上，感慨万千。窗外是万家灯火，倒映在漆黑的水面上。海水温柔地摇着我，我的心在歌唱。

感谢老婆，告诉我去香港的每一个细节。
感谢面试官。感谢MICHAEL和CHUCK。一个在等待面试时还和我通国际长途，帮我克服紧张。一个来我家帮我做严格的MOCK INTERVIEW。感谢公司帮我办港澳通行证。感谢老板支持我去WHARTON和HARVARD深造。
感谢JAMESHOSE。
感谢SERITA帮我在焦急中重新安排WHARTON ALUMNI。费城已下大雪，祝她平安。

感恩的心，感谢有你！

同志们，谢谢啦！
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-- 作者：tsljz
-- 发布时间：2003-12-8 13:29:00

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谢谢wxh7314这么详细的面试介绍，祝好运。
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-8 14:00:00

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Sorry, 还有一个问题：
What is your biggest achievement in your career?
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-- 作者：siebel
-- 发布时间：2003-12-8 14:32:00

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-- 作者：lionheart
-- 发布时间：2003-12-8 14:43:00

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谢谢wxh7314, great job!

希望23号能听到你的好消息！

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-- 作者：cthd007
-- 发布时间：2003-12-8 14:43:00

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holysmoke, so many questions!

Just curious, how long your interview lasted?

Thank you!
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-- 作者：lionheart
-- 发布时间：2003-12-8 14:46:00

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挺奇怪的，你离开学校应该已经很久了，居然问了那么多大学的问题
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-- 作者：飞雪
-- 发布时间：2003-12-8 21:54:00

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这么多问题，面试一定很不错。偶对第7题比较好奇，感觉难度很高啊。
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 9:04:00

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面试从6点左右一直到8点40分我从信德中心坐船回深圳，在考官的护送下。因为这是我平生第一次去香港，没想到这么顺！上帝保佑！

LIONHEART，YOU SEEM TO KNOW A LOT ABOUT WHARTON。 ARE YOU APPLYING THIS YEAR？

第七题我是这么答的：1Hoemwork, web search and due dilegence first to know what the Fortune 500 demand from us.
2.Self analysis. What do I have and other students don\'t have.
3.To be proactive and aggressive in the party to highlight my uniqueness.
4.Be ready to accept failure. If one company rejects me, I still believe there are 499 companies waiting for me.
Alright, that\'s all.
I hope this will help you.

我也不知为什么问这么多大学的问题。也许面试官没有上过中国大学。人家是MIT本科，WHARTON的MBA。
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-- 作者：JamesHose
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 9:29:00

以下是引用wxh7314在2003-12-8 13:03:00的发言：
感谢老婆，告诉我去香港的每一个细节。

WXH, I appreciate this sentence. It shows how deep is your love to your wife. Congratulations to you both!

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-- 作者：carolfmm
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 9:50:00

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羡慕，羡慕，你的心境！
可否告知，你是在外企，还是国内企业？
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-- 作者：CCAML
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 11:34:00

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请教一下：你问了面试官什么问题？
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-- 作者：lionheart
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 11:48:00

以下是引用wxh7314在2003-12-9 9:04:00的发言：

LIONHEART，YOU SEEM TO KNOW A LOT ABOUT WHARTON。 ARE YOU APPLYING THIS YEAR？

I\'m also a R1 applicant this year, will do my interview in Shanghai this Thursday.

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-- 作者：tsljz
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 12:20:00

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wish more and more people in CD succeed in their application.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 12:53:00

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1。I asked the interview: what is your current position in your company and why are you so successful in this position?

2.心境：面试完，满心喜悦，我心歌唱，我心感恩。
昨天还很兴奋，喜悦源源不断涌出，忍不住和同事讲了一点。但我的好哥们马上制止我，要谨言慎行，拿到正式通知再说。
今天已经平静了，上班，做股票，处理国有资产转让，向国资委打申请转让的报告，准备复习数学和经济学，要笨鸟先飞。

3。我在国企，天天上班，天天开会。上周四周五还在上海开董事会。因为面试还没落实，搞得忧心如焚。从上海坐国航飞机回来，竟晚点3小时！到深圳机场已11点了。马上到老师家拿港澳通行证。回到家已12点45分。然后给美国打电话。打了三次，SERITA都不在。接电话的老太太说可能要等一小时。我就把手机调到15分一闹，一醒就打一次。终于凌晨3点半，打通了。SERITA网开一面，给我另外三个ALUMNI的联系方式。等我给他们发完EMAIL，已经是4点了，正好离我下午离开龙柏饭店去机场12个小时！
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 13:03:00

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JamesHose, Thank you!
You are part of my success!

My wife is my leader! She told me where I shoud turn left to buy the ticket, where to get the forms to fill, where to enter the first class seat because there are some foreigners who will give me some sense of being abroad and where to buy the 3goto telephone card.

So, I acted as if I have been to Hong Kong for many times. I didn\'t have any difficulty of being an alien. This kept me in a very good mood. I was at the best status at that moment.

I had mock interview with Chuck with the my TV turning on in my 90 square meters living room. So, I was not scared to have interview in the open area where there were a lot of distractions.
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-- 作者：Serious
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 13:13:00

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主要你来美国,你就能来.把自己交给主,一切听主安排,喜悦必如高山悬瀑,源源不绝.
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-- 作者：whartonfan
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 13:25:00

以下是引用wxh7314在2003-12-9 13:03:00的发言：
JamesHose, Thank you!
You are part of my success!

So, I acted as if I have been to Hong Kong for many times. I didn't have any difficulty of being an alien. This kept me in a very good mood. I was at the best status at that moment.

I had mock interview with Chuck with the my TV turning on in my 90 square meters living room. So, I was not scared to have interview in the open area where there were a lot of distractions.

hehe, first congratulation on you for your great interview! but i have to say something about Wharton interview according to my own experience.

last year, I also had an extremely successful interview with a Wharton alumna who even promised me to support me to get in with his fullest efforts. i believe i was much more excited at that time than you are now. actually I knew from the feedback session that he gave me very good evaluation and adcom even mentioned some wonderful details in the interview. however, I got an rejection at last.

as a re-applicant this year, i had my hub interview in shanghai last Friday. nothing special. i think it went well, but not so well as the one i had last year.

now, i do believe that interview plays an important but very limited role in the whole applicaiton package. although adcom has repeatedly clarified that all interview forms will be considered equally, actually interviews are highly biased by personal interests and experiences. therefore i can understand why adcom pays small attention to interview, regardless of how well you have performed and how well your interviewer has evaluated you in the report. the significance of interivew is limited as long as you did not perform very poor which can surely cause a ding.

anyway, i still congratulation you.
let\'s wait for the final decision date. good luck to all of us.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 13:54:00

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1.主和上帝是一个流派的吗？

2。Actually, the interviewer told me that the Admission Committee has the final judgement. He said even the President of Upenn can\'t let me in if the Admission Committee says no. So, it is why I still tried to call the representatives of Wharton. I wanted to have some hint from them. I am still prepared to accept a rejection or waitinglist on Dec. 23rd.

Apart from Wharton, I still wait for the invitation of HBS.

I am open to any unintended results. Don\'t worry about me.
Even if that happens, I have nothing to lose. I have wonderful job, lovely family, 200 square meters house and a Nissan Cefiro. And secret amount of stocks!
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-- 作者：JamesHose
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 20:21:00

以下是引用wxh7314在2003-12-9 13:54:00的发言：

Great! Should be in this mood! If we had already tried our best, we should not feel regretful.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 20:56:00

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If I failed, I will try for next year. I didn\'t lose anything. I never gamble my life on something which is beyong my control.
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-- 作者：danceindream
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 21:41:00

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Goooooooooooooooooooood luck!
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 23:21:00

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如果让我选择得到WHARTON还是CURRENT JOB我会选得到WHARTON。

如果让我选择失去WHARTON还是CURRENT JOB我会选失去WHARTON。

总觉得逻辑上有些不对，但又是本人真实的内心想法。哪位大侠帮我讲解一下？
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-- 作者：Emilydong
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 23:24:00

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risk-averse style
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-- 作者：tsljz
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 23:26:00

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那是否可以说，你现在的工作不错，但是对於发展前途你不是很确定？所以当你可以在得到CURRENT JOB还是WHARTON的时候，你会觉得得到WHARTON会为你带来将来的不确定的利益，所以你会倾向于得到WHARTON，而当你必须选择失去一样的时候，你会选择保留既得的利益，不知道对不对？
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-- 作者：Emilydong
-- 发布时间：2003-12-9 23:44:00

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有的时候我也在想，如果我面临一个特别好的工作机会，我该怎样选择？我出国念MBA的目的又是什么。比如说我有一个好的老板，在一家很重用我的公司，或者是我自己看好了一个商机，准备投资。我会怎么样？机会这种东西也许一辈子就一次，看你可不可以把握，可是念书，什么时候都可以，只要你愿意。

如果是我，一份特别好的工作和一份很好的offer.我可能愿意失去的是offer.
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-- 作者：jeff2003
-- 发布时间：2003-12-10 0:06:00

以下是引用Emilydong在2003-12-9 23:44:00的发言：
有的时候我也在想，如果我面临一个特别好的工作机会，我该怎样选择？我出国念MBA的目的又是什么。比如说我有一个好的老板，在一家很重用我的公司，或者是我自己看好了一个商机，准备投资。我会怎么样？机会这种东西也许一辈子就一次，看你可不可以把握，可是念书，什么时候都可以，只要你愿意。

如果是我，一份特别好的工作和一份很好的offer.我可能愿意失去的是offer.

这个问题是仁者见仁，智者见智。
在工作多年以后，我倒觉得工作的机会有很多，创业的机会也会很多，而好的OFFER的机会，也许一生只有一次！
尤其是，当你的才能高了许多后，你获得的机会就更多。把握机会的能力也更强。比如看看看创业的：许多人在感叹像柳传志等人创业时倒卖PC就能挣大钱的时候已经一去不返了；炒点原始股也能发大财的岁月也过去了；炒地产挣钱的日子也成历史了。。。
但回头想想，张朝阳，丁磊等人发迹却比老柳快得多！是时机不好了呢？还是更好了呢？我始终觉得机会总会有许多，关键看是否能抓住。不信，过几十年以后，又会有人感叹像如今这样遍地是机会得日子成为历史了：）

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-- 作者：Themangia
-- 发布时间：2003-12-10 6:56:00

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"如果让我选择得到WHARTON还是CURRENT JOB我会选得到WHARTON。

如果让我选择失去WHARTON还是CURRENT JOB我会选失去WHARTON。

总觉得逻辑上有些不对，但又是本人真实的内心想法。哪位大侠帮我讲解一下？"
sounded like you are aready admitted. dont worry now, when the time comes, you know. unless you are married with kids, otherwise life is short, go for it, its another brave new world!!!
keep it real!!
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-10 7:19:00

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1.看起来WHARTON很重要，我也是这样说服自己的。但实际上在内心深处，又好象是可有可无的，MOTIVATION还有重大不足。

2。THEMANGIA，WHY UNLESS YOU ARE MARRIED WITH KIDS，OTHER LIFE IS SHORT？CAN YOU ILLUSTRATE IT A LITTLE MORE FOR ME？

3。工作机会是很多的，但我这样的工作是没有的。我见好多有才能的人到处找工作，他们在局外。我是占了位置才去深造的。不过，好的OFFER 确实一生只有一次。这也是我拿不准的地方。工作就象LP，IT IS REAL。OFFER就象你的真爱，你明知喜欢，但吃不准是不是要抛开LP义无返顾地追求。

4。EMILYDONG AND TSLJZ大侠，你们说的就是我在想的，问题是这样考虑是否PROFESSIONAL？
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-- 作者：bingxi
-- 发布时间：2003-12-11 11:57:00

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wxh, you have been on this way, don\'t think about the motivation now, take the challenge and go, you will be great! --xiaobing
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-11 13:43:00

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Thanks for the encouragement. Isabel!

I am back to the normal life now. As if the excitement has passed away.
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-- 作者：bingxi
-- 发布时间：2003-12-11 16:07:00

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you will smile all the way :)
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-11 16:35:00

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I\'m sure the some happiness will happen to you!

If you have some questions, please let me know.
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-- 作者：bingxi
-- 发布时间：2003-12-11 17:50:00

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I really really expect that day!
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-12 8:32:00

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Congratulations to those Fuqua admits!
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-- 作者：lionheart
-- 发布时间：2003-12-12 17:03:00

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昨天晚上做完的interview，估计我是R1里最后一个。

interviewer是一个美籍台湾人，人非常好。谈了一个多小时，问题完全围绕着resume，问的非常细。标准的问题why mba, why wharton, teamwork & leadership, conflict in work, ethical challenge, community activities, personal interests都问到了，另外还有一些和我个人经历相关的问题。

总体感觉就是：你要对你的resume非常非常的熟悉。

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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-12 23:35:00

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恭喜，LIONHEART！

我的RESUME练了六遍才对答如流。
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-- 作者：whartonfan
-- 发布时间：2003-12-12 23:48:00

以下是引用wxh7314在2003-12-12 23:35:00的发言：
恭喜，LIONHEART！

我的RESUME练了六遍才对答如流。

hehe, just curious. why spent so much time practicing on your own resume? since it is totally written by yourself, and talks about your own affairs, you must be very familiar with it.
besides, my interviewer did not ask too much about my resume, just about why i left my former company and continued to initiate another one.

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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-13 16:32:00

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Whartonfan:
I am familiar with the content. I want to make the best effect. Therefore, I practiced six times untill I looked like a professor teaching the study of myself.

I am not native speaker. I often have problems when I have good Chinese ideas but can\'t express them in English. The more I tried before the interview, the less annoyed I would feel during the interview.
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-- 作者：whartonfan
-- 发布时间：2003-12-13 16:43:00

以下是引用wxh7314在2003-12-13 16:32:00的发言：
Whartonfan:
I am familiar with the content. I want to make the best effect. Therefore, I practiced six times untill I looked like a professor teaching the study of myself.

I am not native speaker. I often have problems when I have good Chinese ideas but can't express them in English. The more I tried before the interview, the less annoyed I would feel during the interview.

hehe, don\'t be so serious.
you are too modest. from your post, i know that you speak English quite well, which i really admire grealty. actually my spoken English is relatively poor. hope it did not leave adverse impression on the interviewwer.
I come from a totally different background from you. if possible, i sincerely hope to meet you in Wharton.
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-- 作者：Emilydong
-- 发布时间：2003-12-13 18:23:00

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Hope Whartonfan/ wxh7314/ lionheart get offer in the near future!

I will submit mine for round II.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-13 22:19:00

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Whartonfan and Emilydong:
Thank you two.

I heard Emilydong had interview with Standford. It is amazing!
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-- 作者：Emilydong
-- 发布时间：2003-12-14 12:08:00

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:( And u should have known I got rejection from Columbia too. However, I will address myself to the following application.

My best wishes to all XDJM on damned application!
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-- 作者：whartonfan
-- 发布时间：2003-12-14 13:57:00

以下是引用Emilydong在2003-12-14 12:08:00的发言：
:( And u should have known I got rejection from Columbia too. However, I will address myself to the following application.

My best wishes to all XDJM on damned application!

Columbia is notoriously unfriendly to Chinese applicants and maybe has the lowest accept rate for Chinese applicants.
I applied it last year but got rejection, while I helped another friend to get in it. both of us feel extremely exhausted both mentally and physically through the whole application procedure for it.
Columbia is a selfish and narrow-minded b-school and is not worthy of its reputation. the more i understand it, the more i dislike it. I swear never to apply Columbia again.
Wharton also dinged me last year. however the more i understand it, the more i like it. I am so attracted to Wharton\'s generous, just, and innovative personality that it is my only target this year.
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-- 作者：terry_tin
-- 发布时间：2003-12-14 14:33:00

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Admiring....
I also apply for Wharton this year, while has not yet submitted my application, i target for round 2. Can all of you share with us something with your background? I really want to know what kind of people will get the chance to be interviewed by Wharton.

Thanks a lot!
Wish you all good luck

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-- 作者：Emilydong
-- 发布时间：2003-12-14 15:10:00

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Whartonfan/ wxh7314/ lionheart

Tell us something about your background!
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-- 作者：chipmunk
-- 发布时间：2003-12-14 15:32:00

以下是引用terry_tin在2003-12-14 14:33:00的发言：
I really want to know what kind of people will get the chance to be interviewed by Wharton.

There is Wharton\'s resume book here. You could compare your background with those guys and see how much chance you have.

https://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=33&replyID=94799&ID=14234&skin=1
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-- 作者：terry_tin
-- 发布时间：2003-12-14 17:06:00

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看了之后很郁闷，不是说wharton是招中国人招的比较多的吗？怎么list上面没有看到一个从大陆过去的？是中国人也都是本来就在美国的中国人，哎，看样子大陆的中国人很难进这样的学校啊
不知道我上面的说法是不是不对啊？

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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-14 22:25:00

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My background:
Undergraduate: Mathematics, ECNU
Graduate: China School of Journalism
10 years of working experience: Clear governmental background.
Good career track record.
Plenty of teamwork and leadership experience.
Maturity and integrity.
Plenty of community involvement.

Gmat 710
Toefl 650

Three strong recommenders

That\'s all.
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-- 作者：JamesHose
-- 发布时间：2003-12-14 23:21:00

以下是引用terry_tin在2003-12-14 17:06:00的发言：
看了之后很郁闷，不是说wharton是招中国人招的比较多的吗？怎么list上面没有看到一个从大陆过去的？是中国人也都是本来就在美国的中国人，哎，看样子大陆的中国人很难进这样的学校啊
不知道我上面的说法是不是不对啊？

Attend the Wharton reception, you will meet those guys from mainland China to get insider information.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-15 10:55:00

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5个。浙大两个，交大一个，西安交大一个，东华大学一个。

还是有些心不定啊！
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-- 作者：lionheart
-- 发布时间：2003-12-15 11:59:00

以下是引用Emilydong在2003-12-14 15:10:00的发言：
Whartonfan/ wxh7314/ lionheart

Tell us something about your background!

My background:
IT; 5 years experience; middle-level management; low GPA from top university; G&T: below average; applied last year and didn\'t got interview.

About get interview:
My experience is: focus on ESSAYS, be well-rounded.

About get in:
No idea. Heard so many stories about did excellent interview but got dinged finally.

[此贴子已经被作者于2003-12-15 11:59:52编辑过]
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-15 21:45:00

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lionheart:
如此说来，还有一些问题，不能高枕无忧啊！
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-- 作者：Themangia
-- 发布时间：2003-12-17 12:10:00

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Don’t worry. They interviewed about 15 people with China background in the first round. Considering that they might take 10 or 12 out of the 15 people group. Your chances are as good as gold! I figure, among 4 of US, there will be a least 3 winners. Relax and keep your fingers crossed.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-17 13:55:00

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Themangia:
Thank you!
I recovered from the uncertainty today. Being admitted or not is something really beyond my control. I have to let it go.

Whatever happened in the outside world will not affect my mind. I was not born to be defeated. None of us was.

At least, I have some friends to share good things and bad things in the world.
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-- 作者：lisashaw
-- 发布时间：2003-12-17 14:54:00

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wxh7314 GG 你也在深圳吗？有空来参加27日的聚会吗？我想大家肯定对你的申请过程很有兴趣，原意交流一下吗？
https://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=28&ID=28433

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-- 作者：whartonfan
-- 发布时间：2003-12-17 16:23:00

以下是引用Themangia在2003-12-17 12:10:00的发言：
Don’t worry. They interviewed about 15 people with China background in the first round. Considering that they might take 10 or 12 out of the 15 people group. Your chances are as good as gold! I figure, among 4 of US, there will be a least 3 winners. Relax and keep your fingers crossed.

I am sorry but I really feel confused. considering that 3 to 5 people among the 15 interviewed chinese applicants will win, how can you say the chances are as good as gold?

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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-17 21:24:00

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Whartonfan:
There are two kinds of information around us. One is to dishearten us and the other is to encourage us. I think Themangia is the latter one.

No matter what happened around us, we should have faith and never give up.

Lisashaw:
I would like to join you if I could have time on Dec. 27th. If you have questions for me, please let me know.
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-- 作者：Themangia
-- 发布时间：2003-12-18 0:07:00

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I meant they would admit 10 or 12 people out of the 15 applicants.
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-- 作者：valarie
-- 发布时间：2003-12-18 6:17:00

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I believe so too. And it\'s said this year Wharton reduced the rate of interviewed people, which means the admitted rate among interviewed people is increased.

congratulation to wxh. and lionheart and wharton fan and emilydong. This xiao meimei is amazing to get interview invitation from Stanford.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-18 7:31:00

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Thank you, Valarie.

I have douts about your analysis but I don\'t have doubts about myself.
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-- 作者：Emilydong
-- 发布时间：2003-12-19 21:50:00

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兄弟们，等你们的好消息了。：）
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-19 23:08:00

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都晚上11点了，还没有音讯
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-- 作者：lionheart
-- 发布时间：2003-12-19 23:14:00

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在wharton的申请网站上公布。https://admissions.wharton.upenn.edu/Admissions/index.cfm

兄弟我已经阵亡了。祝你好运啦。

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-- 作者：liangb
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 0:47:00

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被锯,生活还要继续.
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-- 作者：gowell
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 1:59:00

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Wow, in at Wharton. Best X\'mas gift I\'ve ever had.

Good luck to you all.
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-- 作者：飞雪
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 2:01:00

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oh, gowell u are really a 大牛！congratulations!
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-- 作者：taow
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 4:47:00

以下是引用gowell在2003-12-20 1:59:00的发言：
Wow, in at Wharton. Best X'mas gift I've ever had.

Good luck to you all.

Congrats! Well done.
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-- 作者：cthd007
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 4:54:00

以下是引用gowell在2003-12-20 1:59:00的发言：
Wow, in at Wharton. Best Xmas gift I ever had.

Good luck to you all.

Congratulations on your achivement!
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 7:37:00

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not in.没说什么原因，还得再分析一下问题和差距。自我感觉还可以。in了也不见得就飞，not in也没有失去什么。只是略有一些失望。

哥们就是有些不明白，interview最后是起了正面作用还是导致了被拒？

生活还是很现实的，理想往往不能一次实现。革命尚未成功，同志仍须努力。

我觉得，Wharton不仅regret,它可能还犯了错，事实将证明Wharton的失误。
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-- 作者：cthd007
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 8:39:00

以下是引用wxh7314在2003-12-20 7:37:00的发言：
not in.没说什么原因，还得再分析一下问题和差距。自我感觉还可以。in了也不见得就飞，not in也没有失去什么。只是略有一些失望。

哥们就是有些不明白，interview最后是起了正面作用还是导致了被拒？

我觉得，Wharton不仅regret,它可能还犯了错，事实将证明Wharton的失误。

Sorry to hear that bad news, 哥们.

Your problem is simple and obvious - an egotist. Looks back all your threads here, you\'re boastful to the point of being obnoxious. You have only one string to your conversational violin, namely, youself, and on it you play a number of monotonous variations. What you think, what you have done, how good you are, how you would solve the problems of the world, ect. I bet, besides your house square feet and car, what\'s next? How much money you\'re making? What\'s your latest amorous conquest?

One thing for sure, Wharton looking for a team builder, not egotistic. Your philosophy strikingly conflicks with Wharton\'s.

However, I do wish you a good luck to HBS.

以下是引用wxh7314在2003-12-20 7:37:00的发言：
生活还是很现实的，理想往往不能一次实现。革命尚未成功，同志仍须努力。

I do appreciate your sentence above.

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-- 作者：sfish
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 9:04:00

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wxh7314,
I am sorry to hear the bad news. comfort. The application is the the procedure to look back on your life and growing up. I think cthd007 did point out some of your weakness. Maybe you did not show your best work in your essays, or you and Wharton just do not match each other. I know how painful to accept this result, not because of money, but your time, your energy, and your hope. Ding from Wharton does not mean you can not be a successful business leader. If you are really interested in Wharton, you may find some chance to visit the campus and talk with students and faculties to learn more about it and try next year.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 11:28:00

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ctfd007:
谢谢你的批评。你批评得很对。可惜批评的不是我。我不想多解释。相信你和我接触多了会有新的看法。

Sfish:
谢谢你的鼓励。It is not painful. One thing I gained from the application is to accept the unpleasant outcome and to focus on what we still can do in the future.
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-- 作者：Emilydong
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 12:24:00

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wxh7314,加油，我也相信你可以的！继续努力。

还有就是这个论坛是一个互相交流，帮助的地方，大家说话不要那样刻薄，即使人家不愿意透露一些东西，也是可以理解，有些东西是很ｐｅｒｓｏｎａｌ的。
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-- 作者：tsljz
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 12:34:00

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同意Emily的观点，在这里大家应该互相支持鼓励，大家申请都挺不容易的，是在别人比较upset的时候，更需要我们的鼓励了。

wxh7314，不要紧，继续努力，wharton是提供feedback的，但是好像需要到明年，你可以约一下。当然如果你觉得有什么可以和大家share的教训，那最好了。

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-- 作者：cthd007
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 13:33:00

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wxh7314 的心情偶能理解。如果偶的话言重了，偶愿意道歉!

既然CD论坛是个一个互相帮助，学习交流的地方，自然会有人讲真话，有人灌水，有人灌迷魂汤。。。。。。各人有各人的帮法，何足为奇。

Only thing i\'m wondering is that -

“我觉得，Wharton不仅regret,它可能还犯了错，事实将证明Wharton的失误”。

敢问楼上的两位，能解释一下末?

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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 18:18:00

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cthd007:
不好意思，我的信箱给你发回信发不过去，只能在这里回。

I admire you for your sincere comments. Thank you really. I understand you warned me not to drop into egoism and egotism. I will never do that.

My principle is to be a true man and to do true things. I just want to telll the friends in this forum what was going on my mind and what I experienced during the journey of application. I don\'t mean to boast about myself. I want to be an inspiring element to those friends who are working hard in the process. As you know, one drawback of Chinese education is to act like a harsh judge who will never let you feel good about yourself. I suffered a lot by judging myself strictly in the past.

But it is after I became a member of Chasedream that I began to appreciate my positive aspects and to notice what I am good at. It is a wonderful change of perspective. I hope you can understand the struggle between the western life phylosophy and the Chinese way of life outlook, which most of us experience every minute in our steps of chasing dream.

You are my friend!

Yours earnestly
Wu Xinghua
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 18:28:00

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cthd007:
WHARTON的信中说主任WITH REGRET TO INFORM ME。
据我所知，WHARTON曾经拒绝了不少人，结果人家非常成功。

这样的失误昨天晚上发生了多少起呢？
让昨夜在苦苦等待中落选的哥们都来证明！！！

谁都不知道我们将来会有多好，NEITHER DO WHARTON。
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-- 作者：chipmunk
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 19:39:00

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wxh7314 brother, sorry to hear your unanticipated outcome from Wharton. I believe lots of our members here all very appreciate your kindness for sharing your valuable experience. I also am very happy to know that you started to look at same issues from different prespective after joining our Chasedream forum.

Wharton just wants to pick up a name into its class, however you put your true heart to Wharton. All in all, you have to realize this is the type of game your have to play. I\'m sure you will adjust yourself tomorrow and head to your bright future.

If you really want to know "why?", the simplest answer is: there is some other Chinese applicants in your pool outperformed you in this game. Could be many reasons:
1) someone who visited campus and had really nice contact with school;
2) your academic part (710 and maybe your weak response during interview);
3) your English skill;
4) your lacking of international experience;
5) someone from same background with you (government?) has better something else.
6) you didn\'t understand the Wharton mantra well enough, that would show in your essays and interview;

We all know it\'s just a stupid game and none of above possible weak areas will prevent you from having a successful career.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 21:48:00

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To Shuzhen:
Thank you for your protection. Wu Xinghua is my pen name.

To Chipmunk:
Yes, I agree it is a game. The key of the game is to have advanced training. So-called network, or making friends with those alumni, is big illusion. If you can not establish yourself in your industry, no foreigners will be your friends.

Moreover, MBA is sort of study. We are competing for the rights to pay money to a school. Does it sound crazy? Being admitted and graduated from Wharton does not guarantee anything, not job, not friends circle or success in the business world.

Somebody must have played better than me. But it is still possible that somebody is more to the taste of the admission committee.

I have nice contact with the representative but didn\'t visit the campus.
I studied mathematics in ECNU and my interview was good. I meant good but I can\'t disclose further details because I have to protect my interviewer.
I believe Wharton is picking up someone that has long hands-on experience in the finance service, demonstrates leadership and innovation, and shows entrepreneurial spirits. I focused on these three aspects to differentiate myself. I once thought I was a great match for Wharton. But alas!

Anyway, career first. MBA is a supplement.
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-- 作者：Shuzhen
-- 发布时间：2003-12-20 22:11:00

以下是引用wxh7314在2003-12-20 21:48:00的发言：
Somebody must have played better than me. But it is still possible that somebody is more to the taste of the admission committee.

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-- 作者：cthd007
-- 发布时间：2003-12-21 3:46:00

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wxh7314 bro, I\'m so glad to be one of your friend, and appreciate your level of moral stature and perspicuity.

As i mentioned in my last email, I have no intention to "insult" you in any way. the "conclusion" I made was just based on the posts, though i read your threads throughly and carefully before, but, unfortunately, not your mind.

make no mistake, I do respect not only your inspiration and passion, but also any other candidates\' on CD. Simply put, i\'m one of Wharton\'s enthusiast too. It might be true, Wharton is not the best B-school, but it\'s the finest one in the world.

As to the game, personally, i think we have to follow the rule of Wharton\'s law, but rather than a rule of thumb. after all, we, are anxious to play the game, not Wharton. without doubt, Wharton is the only king maker for the rule of the game!

What you failed for now, is just your imagination of your future work life that doesn\'t match the adcom\'s belief, nothing else. A MBA is just one of bridges that woud bind your past to the future you believe, what else?

Though, one door @Wharton was closed, another door is still open if you want to knock, knock. Wharton is one of few schools allows, even encourages, its prospective students to apply for both full time MBA and EMBA program within the same academic year if applicable. The deadline of the MBA for executives @ Wharton is on Feb1, 2004 (one round, no rolling process). If you\'re interested in, the things you need to do is to register another account, write three more essays, schedule a campus\' interview, and you\'re in and read to play a new game again.

Personally, i encourage you to apply because the way you\'ll not only keep the decent job you love, but also build the netwowrk of business contact you dream. Again, lose here, win there.

All in all, good luck to your future endeavors.

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-- 作者：wxh7314
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cthd007:
That\'s very nice of you to give me good advice. I like the Wharton courses and knowledge but I don\'t like the adcom. I have some aching in some part fo my heart. Maybe it is the feeling of hurt.

I have the courage to accept the unfair game and give congratulations to those admitted candidates at the same time. But I got some complex with the adcom. I don\'t want to see them again or deal with them. I need a rest. Life is so beautiful and I can\'t miss the bright sunshine in Shenzhen. Winners take all. The game is over.

I plan to know my weakness from the feedback session before I decide to reapply or apply for Wharton EMBA.

My email is wxh@sihc.com.cn. You can send message to me if you like.

Yours earnestly
Wu Xinghua
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-- 作者：cthd007
-- 发布时间：2003-12-21 17:02:00

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wxh7314 bro, take a break if you feel getting hurt, not a panic.

Some researches for EMBA as your reference, in case you need it.

1. The adcoms in charge of EMBA are different from those who in charge of MBA.

2. EMBA has two capums, namely, Philadelphia and San Francisco. I bet you wanna be in San Francisco for short flight.

3. A MBA is much compete than an EMBA does, not only in admission, but also in the periods of study and job search. It\'s safe to say that you probably only comete with youself or a few of Asian candidates if you want to apply for EMBA.

4. The only difficulty is to convince your boss to sponsor it

Dream what you want to dream,

go where you what to go,

because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do.
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-- 作者：cthd007
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New king - Howard Kaufold, if you\'re interested in west coast EMBA.

A Conversation with Howard Kaufold, Director of the Wharton MBA Program for Executives
What kinds of things should you be looking at when deciding whether to apply to a particular EMBA program?

I\'d advise you to look at several factors. First, what is the equivalence of the program to a full-time MBA? How does the curriculum compare? Do you want a very rigorous program or one that is less demanding?
Second, how selective is the school? How many people are applying to the program? Of those who apply, how many are admitted? Does the school require all applicants to take the GMAT? Many executive MBA programs waive that requirement; at Wharton, we hold our EMBA and full-time applicants to the same high standards.
Third, what about the program\'s schedule and overall learning environment? How well does it fit with your career needs at this time and your personal learning style?
Also, how big is the alumni network and what do the alumni do? That\'s a gauge of the opportunities that your MBA will open for you and a measure of the value of the degree in the marketplace.
How do you get a sense of the quality of an EMBA class?

The selectivity of the school is one factor in determining the skills, abilities, and experience of the peer group you\'ll work with throughout your studies. Also, at Wharton we find that diversity is key to dynamic class discussion. Make sure that there are a lot of viewpoints represented. What industries are the students coming from? What geographical areas are they coming from?
The best way to get a sense of the school is to visit. You will be spending a great deal of time with your classmates and professors, and the experience varies widely from program to program. Meet students, alumni, professors, and administrators. Sit in on a class if possible.
What about the class schedule?

Ask yourself whether the program fits your lifestyle and your schedule. Is it offered one day per week, every other weekend, during week-long sessions, or a combination? What kind of support structures are available during residency periods? What kind of group study and individual work are required and supported between class sessions? Are you looking for a local degree, or are you willing to travel farther for a program with a wide geographic reach, broad industry scope, and/or international reputation?
Be sure you consider your learning style as well. Some students find that if classes are too concentrated, it\'s difficult for them to absorb the coursework or that they lose momentum if the gaps between sessions are very long. At Wharton, we\'ve found that Friday and Saturday classes work best since it is more feasible for students to take the time out to attend. There\'s less disruption and they can they see the impact of learning on their ongoing work, creating a better value for the student and employer.
What differentiates the curriculum of various EMBA programs?

Many are "lockstep" programs, in which all students take the same classes, at the same time, throughout the duration of the program. That\'s fine when the entire class has exactly the same interests, but otherwise be sure that the electives you need are offered and that courses can be tailored to your career advancement goals. At Wharton, 45 percent of the classes are electives, and each class has the opportunity during the first year to select the electives offered to them in the second year.
If you are interested in senior management roles, make sure the program you choose focuses on helping you improve your leadership style. What kinds of leadership courses does it offer, and how effective are they?
And don\'t forget the basics — how many hours will be spent in class? Who teaches the courses? What is the core curriculum and how is structured?
What other qualities add value to an EMBA?

Many executive programs have differentiators, but be sure what is unique about a program is both relevant to your goals and integrated with the program\'s philosophy. Global residencies are very "hot" right now, but make sure that the international aspect of the program you choose is substantive and carried out in the rest of the curriculum. Ask whether the class has an opportunity to choose the location for the overseas project or residency. Team projects and experiential learning opportunities can also add value, giving students a chance to learn organizational dynamics and leadership while putting the lessons they learn into immediate play.
What about funding?

Funding is often a critical part of the decision-making process, and you will have to weigh your goals for your career, the value of the degree in the job market, and the availability of financial resources, including sponsorship and loans. Many employers are willing to sponsor students in executive MBA programs either fully or partially, and many schools offer loan programs to support students who are not fully sponsored. Check to see whether the school requires sponsorship, whether admission is contingent upon a student\'s receiving employer funding, and what loan opportunities are available for EMBA students. The Wharton MBA Program for Executives does not require sponsorship, and whether the student gets full or partial financial help has no effect on the admissions decision. Loans are available for qualified self-sponsored students.
Any final advice?

I would just reiterate my earlier suggestion that visiting a program is one of the best ways to determine if it is a good fit for you. Pursuing an MBA degree, whether in a full-time or executive experience format, involves a major commitment not only of money, but also of time and personal energy. When it\'s the right fit, it can be a life-changing experience. The time you invest up front in researching your choice is well worth the effort.

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-- 作者：cthd007
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Entering Class Profile 2003

Class Overview (Philadelphia and San Francisco)
Total Applicants 878
Total Admitted Applicants 221
Total Enrolled 2003, 204
Grant Deferral to 2004, 9

Average Age 33
Under 30: 27%
Over 39: 11%

Average Years Work Experience 10
Average GMAT
Mid 80% GMAT Range 640-740
Students Holding Advanced Degrees 37%
Average Salary and Bonus $150,000

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-- 作者：wxh7314
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cthd007:
Only the Wharton MBA suits my demand. I want the crediblity of a full time on-campus Wharton MBA. The EMBA sounds like a "watered" degree, not an manifestation of your strength. What\'s more, I am not that old to apply for EMBA.

I want to live in the U.S. for two years. I want to bring my wife with me. I don\'t want to commute over the Pacific Ocean still as a Chinese.

The value of the pursuit is not only the courses and the Wharton brand. I want the authenticity of Wharton MBA to help me in the next step. I want to live and work with people in New England area.

Actually, I have considered the choice of EMBA. I supposed the interviewer would ask me why I don\'t apply for EMBA and prepared an answer to this question. To be frank, I don\'t like EMBA. I don\'t like San Francisco either. I am confident that I fit the Wharton MBA.

Do you have any constructive advice for Wharton MBA next year? Thank you.

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-- 作者：cthd007
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in that case, you\'d better to talk to danceindream or gowell. after all, they are admitted already. I\'m sure they will give you much insightful advice than i do.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-22 13:01:00

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Yes! gowell:
Can you give me some advice of rising to the "in" pile of Wharton?

Thank you
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-- 作者：gowell
-- 发布时间：2003-12-23 0:05:00

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please refer to my reply on the other Wharton thread. Hope it helps.
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-- 作者：wxh7314
-- 发布时间：2003-12-23 0:46:00

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gowell:
To be specific, please! Your advice will be great help to every Wharton applicant.
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-- 作者：taow
-- 发布时间：2003-12-23 14:26:00

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Admissions/Why Wharton?

I had been a scientist for several years, working in drug discovery and design. Along the way, I realized that my interests had grown beyond the confines of the laboratory: I wanted to get involved with the economic side of the industry. Armed with business training, I knew I’d be uniquely positioned to bring emerging cures to patients.

I researched different top-tier MBA programs and while each had different strengths, Wharton’s focus on finance made it the most appropriate choice for me. I liked that Wharton has one of the best health care management programs around and a very strong alumni support network. I was also impressed with the diversity of students in terms of their ethnic, educational, and professional backgrounds.

I am actually a unique case because I originally decided to pursue an MBA, matriculating and finishing my first year in Wharton’s full-time MBA program. Since I’m the only provider for my family, I became concerned about not being able to work and generate income. At that time I had a friend in the Wharton MBA Program for Executives who suggested I consider that option. At first I was skeptical because the general impression about EMBA programs is that they are watered-down versions of regular MBA programs. I wanted the original-strength, most-potent version. My friend kept raving about the Wharton program, though, so I decided to check it out. I sat in on some classes, in a few cases attending the same class in both the daytime and executive programs to compare them. After extensive research, I came to the conclusion that Wharton’s MBA Program for Executives offered the same rigor as the full-time MBA, so for my second year, I switched. Right away, I loved it, and I knew I’d made a very good decision.

http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/mbaexec/life/profiles/rizvi/admissions.html

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-- 作者：taow
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I may be able to provide some insight into helping you and others with the decision between Wharton, HBS, & other top programs. I went through the same struggle that many others have gone through. Obviously, deciding between schools should depend largely on what you are looking to get out of your MBA program. Wharton, HBS, Stanford, MIT, etc. are all excellent programs, but each one has its own particular strengths and weaknesses. In my case, I decided to only apply to Wharton/Lauder and fortunately was accepted in R1.

I became very familiar with Harvard Business School (and Sloan, for that matter) as a result of my education and indirect affiliation with HBS. I did my undergrad at Harvard and received my MS from MIT, and I have a number of good friends and a cousin who are graduates of HBS.

Despite my familiarity with Harvard and my improved odds of acceptance to HBS as a Harvard grad, I decided that I would apply to only Wharton in the first round and then to HBS and Stanford in the second round if I were not admitted to Wharton.

My rationale for choosing Wharton is based on the following:

1. Education—Because of my interests in private equity and other areas of investment, Wharton’s finance program was extremely attractive to me. Yet, Wharton also will enable me to balance the development of my finance skills with important management and leadership skills through the ability to double major in strategic management, Wharton’s Center for Leadership, and participating on one of Wharton’s advisory boards/committees.

2. International programs—Wharton offers an array of international academic, professional, and non-profit programs that no other school can match. The Lauder Institute will enable me to improve my language and international professional skills; Wharton’s alliance with INSEAD will allow me to gain a different educational perspective at the top European MBA program; the Global Immersion Program will increase my understanding of China; and the International Volunteer Project would allow me to contribute meaningfully to a developing region of the world.

3. Brand recognition—As hard as I tried to deny it, attending an MBA program with name-brand recognition was important to me. While Wharton may not be a household name, its reputation is phenomenal among those circles that truly matter in the business world.

What also amazes me is the strength of Wharton’s reputation despite not having a name like Harvard, Stanford, or MIT as a “crutch.” Penn is a great school, but most people are not even aware that it is in the Ivy League. Bottom line—Wharton, more than many of the top programs, has built its name on its own merit.

4. Location—To be honest, I was not excited about living in Philadelphia. Having grown up in Texas and having lived in Boston for 5 years, Brazil for 2 years, and South Florida for just less than a year, I was afraid that Philadelphia would be a significant downgrade in the quality of living.

When I visited Philadelphia in October, however, I was pleasantly surprised. Philadelphia boasts amazing architecture, excellent museums, and great restaurants. Moreover, it’s not nearly as cold as Boston and its relative proximity to NYC and DC are pluses for both career management and recreational purposes.

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-- 作者：taow
-- 发布时间：2003-12-23 14:41:00

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H/W/S what\'s the difference?

I\'m not a student any of these schools but have given a lot of thought to the same question as I\'ve been preparing my applications. I hope my opinions are helpful - if only to encourage you to do more research on your own.

For starters, HBS and Stanford both provide basically a general management education. Wharton, however, has you select from 18 majors (or create your own) – which I think is a bit more practical since you\'re not likely to become CEO right out of B-school and may be doing more hands-on work in a particular industry. There is also a significant difference in teaching style. HBS teaches by the case method exclusively. Wharton, however, uses different methods depending on the subject matter. Here, I think Wharton is again more practical since there are some essential business skills that I don\'t think can really be taught using the case method.

Another major difference is the size of the school. Both Wharton and HBS are very large (around 900 students a year) whereas Stanford has roughly a third the size. This difference is also reflected in the size of the campuses. HBS has far and away the most impressive facilities – it is its own extravagant campus completely separated from the rest of Harvard. Wharton also has great facilities - but HBS is the size of some universities.

When I first started looking into B-school I was looking at (in this order) Stanford, Harvard, MIT, and then maybe Wharton just because I had heard it was the best. However, after having visited all of those schools Wharton is now far and away at the top of my list. My personal take on it is that Wharton just has the most available to pick and choose from. It is like a giant all-you-can-eat buffet. For me, choosing HBS over Wharton would be a subtle form of idol worshiping since my biggest reason for me to go there would be the platinum-plated brand that I could impress my grandma with (she\'s never heard of Wharton).

But I\'ll also admit, I\'m not even sure I could get in to HBS. I\'ve worked for some no-name startups, have a technical background (3.6 GPA, 760 GMAT), and haven\'t had any amazing leadership opportunities. I know HBS says stardust isn\'t really necessary, but almost all the people I\'ve known who have gone there are way more charismatic than I and far less analytical. As I\'ve worked on my application, the HBS essays are a bit harder for me to write than were Wharton\'s.

One of the biggest advantages of HBS is the alumni network – it\'s probably the largest and most influential. But I\'m not interested in going to B-school just to join a club, which is almost what HBS seemed like to me when I visited. Of course, networking and alumni relations are important, its just not at the top of my list.

One last thing. The Wall Street Journal has been cited by many as a really odd and unreliable ranking (based on recruiter surveys). I think this year they ranked HBS #8 and Stanford #30. I don\'t necessarily buy into their methodology, but I\'ve learned a lot in following the rankings. For instance, there was an article in the Harbus (HBS\'s student newspaper) reacting to their ranking at #8 which was representative with comments I\'ve heard from current students. They di

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